fin-addict Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 brothers new to him 2002 2200v's trim tabs are not working at all. mechanics says no power to rocker switches and cannot find black box or where the wiring from the switches go. any help would be appreciated, I say look for another mechanic. 4hrs into this already :susel: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snelly Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 A 2002 - unless re installed - would have no black box. No power to switch should be a piece of the proverbial to fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Start at the fuse block with the fuse.It probably doesn't have a black box, that would be downstream of the switches anyway. In 4hrs you could completely rewire the tabs. And the switch panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilge rat Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 As a guess if he is working on it at all, he has pulled a few wires off the switches and has no idea where they go. The switches reverse the positive and negative feeds to make the tabs go up and down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someday came Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 quick check have him cut the wire coming from the tab a ways in from the tab there will be two wires touch the two leads to the positive & negative post on the battery if it sparks it is the acuator if it does not the tab will move then it is either the fuse, open wires (from both tabs)to switch or the switch itself. Does not require a mechanic as I am not one but have troubleshot this myself & replaced 2 actuators & 1 switch. FYI not sure of the mechanic but i would find a new one my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobo Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 FIN-ADDICT mechanics says no power to rocker switches and cannot find black box or where the wiring from the switches go. There is no black-box,,,, and that certainly wasn't much of a mechanic if he didn't know that!!! The two rocker switches (double-pole, double-throw, momentary-on/off/momentary-on) are wired in a rather complex manner but is nothing that even a shade-tree electrician/mechanic couldn't figure out... The power supply wires leading from each of these two switches are red and green from one switch and blue and yellow from the other... These two sets of wires are, in turn butt-spliced to a black and a white wire (usually in the bilge area)..... I would venture to say that 70%-80% of trim tab failures are because of these butt-splices failing due to salt-water intrusion and corrosion... I'm just a rookie but I could completely rewire a complete trim-tab system in a Pathfinder in less than a couple of hours!!! Like Dino says,,,,, that mechanic is a rip-off artist... *** Here is a drawing of the switch wiring arrangement *** *** This drawing shows the Lenco Actuators wiring scheme *** ---------<" ){{{{{>< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fin-addict Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 thanks so very much. will p*** this along to my bro. lucky he is not paying by the hr. flat rate for diag. was given. mechanic is an a--. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I will make the topic sticky. I will trim some posts to clean it up. Should be search-able. M-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiki Bay Fishing Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 I did a retrofit to eliminate the Pathfinder trim tab switch setup. The rocker switches just aren’t waterproof and they’re a pain to replace. I bought a Lenco LED integral switch and controller and installed them in the same hole as the factory switches. The Pathfinder trim plate works great with a piece of 1/4” starboard custom fit to make a 2-1/8” round hole. Cut a rectangular piece of starboard as a backing plate to cover the back side of the square hole in the console. Original wires are disconnected and rewired to the Lenco controller. I now have reliable switches, LED trim indicators and auto trim tab retract. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lap it Up Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 On 12/10/2018 at 9:39 PM, Tiki Bay Fishing said: I did a retrofit to eliminate the Pathfinder trim tab switch setup. The rocker switches just aren’t waterproof and they’re a pain to replace. I bought a Lenco LED integral switch and controller and installed them in the same hole as the factory switches. The Pathfinder trim plate works great with a piece of 1/4” starboard custom fit to make a 2-1/8” round hole. Cut a rectangular piece of starboard as a backing plate to cover the back side of the square hole in the console. Original wires are disconnected and rewired to the Lenco controller. I now have reliable switches, LED trim indicators and auto trim tab retract. Nice job. Clean custom install Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamble19 Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Very clean job. Can’t see the wiring diagram, says not available. Any chance you could put it back up. Can you also show where the orange auto retract wire was wired in to the circuit. Many Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lat22 Posted April 14, 2022 Report Share Posted April 14, 2022 On 12/10/2018 at 8:39 PM, Tiki Bay Fishing said: I did a retrofit to eliminate the Pathfinder trim tab switch setup. The rocker switches just aren’t waterproof and they’re a pain to replace. I bought a Lenco LED integral switch and controller and installed them in the same hole as the factory switches. The Pathfinder trim plate works great with a piece of 1/4” starboard custom fit to make a 2-1/8” round hole. Cut a rectangular piece of starboard as a backing plate to cover the back side of the square hole in the console. Original wires are disconnected and rewired to the Lenco controller. I now have reliable switches, LED trim indicators and auto trim tab retract. Necrobump, but that is a great job neighbor! I'm troubleshooting a "no power" situation on my trim tabs and was going to replace the switches. I'm going this route for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tender Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 This happened yesterday. Anyone have a good suggestion for removing the screws from the hull on the old bracket besides just putting an impact driver on them? I'm concerned about breaking the screws off in the hull and what to do if that happens. Tips or trick appreciated. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polliwog Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 From the photo it looks like the screws sheared off ,because the trim tab isn't connected to anything. Is this correct or am I missing something. I'm sorry no one has offered any help I have 2 flats boats a Maverick and a Hewes light tackle so I know the rear end of these boats. Neither of my boats has an indentation where the hydraulic fits on your boat . Are these recessed tabs? Maybe someone else will speak up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tender Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 minute ago, polliwog said: From the photo it looks like the screws sheared off ,because the trim tab isn't connected to anything. Is this correct or am I missing something. I'm sorry no one has offered any help I have 2 flats boats a Maverick and a Hewes light tackle so I know the rear end of these boats. Neither of my boats has an indentation where the hydraulic fits on your boat . Are these recessed tabs? Maybe someone else will speak up. I think I have it figured out. It's tough to tell from the picture but the trim tab is tack welded to the hinge which is screwed to the hull. The welds popped and I was left with the hinge still screwed to the bottom of the hull. I was really concerned that the screws were put in with 5200 or something and that they would break while pulling them out. Long story short after several calls between Lenco and Maverick I figured out that Lenco had a special part number for Maverick. This was after I had already ordered the standard 9x9 from Lenco, installed it only to figure out it wasn't 100% correct when I went to bolt it to the ram. Right now I have it functional and am waiting for Lenco to get me exact match. Side note: I have never been in a worse riding boat than an 18HPX-V that is missing a trim tab. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polliwog Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 I can believe that,I use my tabs all the time on my HPX v,not so much on the Hewes. Glad you got it sorted out,good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tender Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Not sure what Hewes you have but I have a buddy that has a 18 Redfisher CAD hull with a 150 that HAS to have tab all the time, I had a 18' Lappy that almost never needed tab. The Maverick I find only needs a touch of tab but I only have a 115, Trolling motor and 2 batteries in the front which reduces the need for tab. The reason it rode so bad when I lost the tab is because the blade is recessed into the hull so it changes the running surface on one side. Basically it causes the boat to list heavily to the side the tab is missing from and porpoises BAD, even with zero trim. To offset that I trimmed the motor all the way down and put the only tab I could down a touch which made the list worse to get home. Fortunately it was only ~6-7 miles. Once I got the tab back on it is back to the ride you expect from a Maverick. Just waiting on the exact match from Lenco right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polliwog Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 My Hewes is a 20FT LT and I run with no tab deployment unless I have to slow down for wave conditions to keep the bow down to drive through the chop. BTW my HPX V is a little 15fter with 40HP and likes to porpoise if I run under 20mph ,a little tab gets it under control. I am pleased by the ride in both boats although the LT can be a little wet in a cross wind and wave action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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