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2019 22 TRS Engine choices

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I know this topic is been beat to death with f150 vs f200.  Looking at a new 22 TRS with t-top and was curios why you don’t see any with 175 SHO or 200SHO?  F200 seems most popular lately but I’m a bit gun shy on it from a performance standpoint.  Thank you!

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The 175 SHO is an in-line 4 cylinder, while the 200 SHO is a 4.2 liter 6 cylinder.  I know money is money, but you would never regret scraping up a little more  up front cash to go with a larger, much ”TORQIER” engine.  

I don’t remember ever hearing anyone wish they had gotten a smaller motor!!!!!

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I'm not familiar with TRS transom....but, The 200 SHO and 225 SHO are only available in 20" shafts.....the F200 , F150 and 175SHO are available in 25" shafts.....so it depends on the boats transom length on your choices. 

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I have a 2200 trs with a 200 SHO. It’s a pretty quick boat even with the t top. The low end torque is really unbealivable. I tell everyone it feels like a 2 stroke back there 

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2 hours ago, HoneyB said:

I have a 2200 trs with a 200 SHO. It’s a pretty quick boat even with the t top. The low end torque is really unbealivable. I tell everyone it feels like a 2 stroke back there 

I'm guessing since you have the 200 SHO ...the TRS has a 20" transom....or 6" setback on jackplate ? 

I have a friend (JEM)  with a 225 SHO on a 2200V.....and it's extremely fast and sounds like a 350 Chevy V8.

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Thanks for the info.  I like the 200SHO option but not sure it's worth the $$$ for me given the modest gain in performance, and drop off in fuel efficiency,  though the hole shot and torque should definitely be better and I guess if you got to go fast you got some extra go.  I don't see how the 2004S makes sense at all for the extra coin, Yamaha should go back to the drawing board on that one.  Love pathfinders, and I'm a Yamaha guy but I'm really not happy with these limited options. 

150 4S

 

 

200 4S   VF200
RPM Speed GPH   RPM Speed GPH   RPM Speed GPH
3000 20.9 4.1   3000 21.7 4   3000 28.7 6.2
4500 37.7 7.5   4500 38.3 9.7   4500 45.5 15
6000 49.5 16.6   5850 50.5 19.4   5850 53.9 19
Weight 491     Weight 489     Weight 505  
Time to Plane 3.11     Time to Plane 3.32     Time to Plane 2.64  
0-30 MPH 6.5     0-30 MPH 7.23     0-30 MPH 5.35  
Base   $4,690  

$6,428

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There is a lot of head scratching from the 200-4S specs.  The 200 does have more punch for loads and more prop. You can feel it, but you can't read it.

You can work all this on paper just so far.  Then you need to ride.  Do you have a dealer close by ?  They may have a boat to ride, or you can get with an owner to go for a ride.

 You owe it to yourself to be fully informed on how the boats feel and handle with the available motors.  None of us has money to burn, so making the best choice, the first time.. is important.

Personally, I prefer to have ample horsepower. I have to run East Coast inlets and outrun lightning storms offshore. If I just took my kids tubing & skiing and fished on a small lake, the minimum adequate power would be fine.

Also, availability of motors is a problem right now.. That explanation is also sketchy, but it just is that way. 

Mercury came out with a lightweight V-6 four stroke in the 175-225Hp range. Not slaying the sacred silver motors, but there are new options. 

Perhaps some of our 2200 TRS Legion will chime in.  (2200 TRS is the Best all around boat, ever..)

MW

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I feel that engine selection is based on typical water conditions.  I fish around Apalachicola bay and only one day in ten, can I run faster than my normal cruise of 30 mph.  If I ran heavy or in more flat water, additional horsepower would be useful.

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12 hours ago, msmarsh said:

Thanks for the info.  I like the 200SHO option but not sure it's worth the $$$ for me given the modest gain in performance, and drop off in fuel efficiency,  though the hole shot and torque should definitely be better and I guess if you got to go fast you got some extra go.  I don't see how the 2004S makes sense at all for the extra coin, Yamaha should go back to the drawing board on that one.  Love pathfinders, and I'm a Yamaha guy but I'm really not happy with these limited options. 

150 4S

 

 

200 4S   VF200
RPM Speed GPH   RPM Speed GPH   RPM Speed GPH
3000 20.9 4.1   3000 21.7 4   3000 28.7 6.2
4500 37.7 7.5   4500 38.3 9.7   4500 45.5 15
6000 49.5 16.6   5850 50.5 19.4   5850 53.9 19
Weight 491     Weight 489     Weight 505  
Time to Plane 3.11     Time to Plane 3.32     Time to Plane 2.64  
0-30 MPH 6.5     0-30 MPH 7.23     0-30 MPH 5.35  
Base   $4,690  

$6,428

I run a VF200 on my TE. The numbers above look about right for the VF200. I bought it for the extra punch since the latter models are heavier and it still runs on 87 octane gas. I think you need a jackplate to run it since you can only get a 20 inch shaft. Big difference when you get 4 on the boat ready to fish compared to the grey motors.  When it goes out of warranty I am going to flash the ecm to 250. Hope this helps you.

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Thanks Skip and to all for the responses.  I'm building a home and have a few months to debate it, hopefully the motor thing will work itself out by then.  And I agree 22 pathy is one of my all time favorites, look forward to having another Pathfinder soon!!!  

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I would go with the 200 SHO at a minimum.  That boat is a dog with the F150 on it.  You can always flash the ECU to 250 or 300 on the SHO when the warranty expires.  Think about resale as well.  When I was in the market for one, if the boat had a F150 on it, I immediately took it out of my search.  

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49 minutes ago, gamecocks2001 said:

I would go with the 200 SHO at a minimum.  That boat is a dog with the F150 on it.  You can always flash the ECU to 250 or 300 on the SHO when the warranty expires.  Think about resale as well.  When I was in the market for one, if the boat had a F150 on it, I immediately took it out of my search.  

I’m thinking about selling and have several people standing in line and very interested (f150). Don’t know bout you but I have never caught a fish going 50.

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I'm pretty happy with my "dog" too Bernie. A 22' fishing boat that will cruise at 30 to 35mph is plenty for me.

I suppose I should apologize in advance when I invite someone to fish with me.  

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23 minutes ago, RockyG said:

I'm pretty happy with my "dog" too Bernie. A 22' fishing boat that will cruise at 30 to 35mph is plenty for me.

I suppose I should apologize in advance when I invite someone to fish with me.  

Here's a 10 year old dog that has fished very well and I've been offered 35 K to sell.  I've had the 24 with the 250 that ran 58 mph and sucked gas like a big block Chevy....this one runs about 47 mph , she sips gas, but very seldom in South Georgia is anyone going to run WOT. Besides, every fish I've caught....the boat has been sitting still.  Happy Labor Day weekend guys !  By the way; the average number of days a Pathfinder 22 with or without an engine stays on the market in South Georgia is 5 to 8 days. 

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Of course you’re going to defend your boat if you own one with an F150.  In my book and a lot of others, it’s underpowered. Resale value isn’t as high as a 200 or better.  That’s my opinion though.  

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10 minutes ago, gamecocks2001 said:

Of course you’re going to defend your boat if you own one with an F150.  In my book and a lot of others, it’s underpowered. Resale value isn’t as high as a 200 or better.  That’s my opinion though.  

Because it cost less up front. Duh.......

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Love my old 250 SHO, I need the power bc I have a very heavy 22 TE with a tower. That being  said, I’d have a 250 regardless on the next boat. I’ve seen some pretty impressive numbers on fuel mileage (and speed) when I’m running by myself and dialing it in.

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You guys are funny. When I ordered my PF22 in 2014 Skip told me that the F150 was the biggest seller and the F250 second. I bought the 200 for the reasons above and never felt I made a mistake. Different stroke for different folk!

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Here are some everyday comparisons

I have a 04 22te with 200vmax and jackplate.

My fishing partner has 05 22v f150 and no jackplate 

When fishing his boat we are in no hurry and know going from spot to spot will be longer and are more aware of water depth.

In my  boat we will run hard and go across shallower stretches with less concern.

On the way back it's always air it out full speed as the vmax appreciates a good hard run to blow things out from puttering while fishing

The funny thing is that my fishing partner will let her fly while driving my boat as do I but knows the limitation of his.

Horsepower is not just speed but time to plane , depth needed to plane and control of boat in various conditions. In my opinion horsepower makes a difference  but that is not to say less will not work. Just not as well.

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